Suggestions for hashtag improvements!

Thanks @mobo. I ask because I also use

and it requires a unique identifier for each note. That can be link, but it should never change. I don’t take long term notes in MN, so I don’t know. I only take reading notes which are very different than my synthesized, long term notes that span months or years of research. I wouldn’t enjoy using a single MN notebook for hundreds or thousands of books. What about notes about notes? Is it possible to create a standalone note in MN? I think it must be tied to a book, and even more specifically to a highlight. All that said, zettelkastens can certainly be implemented on a per book or per smaller project basis.

@bart,

Funny you should mention Zettelkasten, as I was just now reading and trying to understand the system. There are apps, though the one @Nils mentioned seems no longer to be under development, its wiki is dead, and the Google-translated documentation is rather vague in places.

What app do you use for Zettelkasten?

Trying to answer your questions: I assume the links to notes in MN are unique IDs and will never change, unless you delete your database. I gather the usual workflow is to create a new notebook for each book or article, and then cross-link.

I’m not sure about your other questions. Maybe @Lanco_Support-Team can help us out?

I think the idea is wonderful. For my understanding, the best part about Zettelkasten is that you don’t need to, and shouldn’t catagorize them. That way, you are always free to make new connections to and from them. They are never assumed to have just a single meaning.

The biggest issue with links changing is upon export, should one choose another app in the future or the one being used is not supported anymore. However, any app will work if you give your zettles a number in the title. People use all kinds of different apps for it. For my needs, I prefer something more than a simple hyperlink, wiki style (though wiki links can break). I use Tinderbox and even at its most basic is much more powerful than a list of notes. You can, and most users do, create notes in a visual map view (in the same way a mind map is visual). Other views include outlines, amoung other notable things. Notes can be aliased, meaning they’re copied but directly related to the original. In essance, you can have a single note in multiple places. That note can be linked to other notes, and tagged. You can have a tag. A tag is one kind of attribute given to a note. There are endless others possible, such as publication, year of publication, male or female protagonist, or whatever else. Then there are very powerful ways to search through your notes and attributes, including agents which are basically smart filtered searches that constantly run and copy aliases into them that match the results, for example. So you can have a place that automatically copies any note that has a certain tag, for example. That note can automatically be changed to a different color to differentiate it. The possibilities are endless, but the sofware is a bit geaky and making use of the advanced possibilities involves remembering how to formulate some basic expressions. But even without that, it’s very powerful.

Here’s some nice videos (although a bit long) of Beck Trench using the two together. She’s a teacher and researcher and I happen to love both her presence and her workflow.

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Min and I both think you Native users has more profound Localization culture background. And this make yours description more pellucid.It will be easier to be understood by others.

For the most important one, you guys know the authentic demanding scene.And by study your workflow and guide., the MN could not be developed in fantasy for students and users in both sides of the Atlantic.:smile:

So in my suggestion, the new thread or a serries of posts pined on Forum top about your workflow sharing is best.

Yours sincerely,
Lanco

Attach Developer Min’s suggestions::alien:
另外英文论坛里发掘发掘,看看有没有合适的人,可以来分享一些英文教程,虽然我们的中文教程可以翻译成英文,但是我们还是面向美国学生和用户,用他们听的懂的话去介绍,这需要是具有本土文化背景的人

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I‘m not quite sure I know what you mean :man_shrugging::grimacing: Are the workflows so different between China and Europe/US that you couldn‘t implement features for both ways of studying or (what I think) that it really helps to hear about other workflows that you „couldn’t imagine“ and integrating those?

Yes, in the Asian countries especially Korean, Japan and China, mnemonics things is primary one in every Subject. Tons of linguistic missions are needed to be memorized.And it’s different from German study English as EU language is all Fusional Language and has lots of universal etyma. Eastern language is based on Hanzi which is also not a phonogram. Subjects like History and Politics is continued to be studied unitl Master‘s degree etc.

So most of our Asian users is examination scene. That’s why we keep work on Anki-related improvements.

In the other hand, Chinese University is more specialized about Engineering(barely involved with Nvivo Atlas.ti etc. than sociologists). Marginnote’s other primary usage about qualitative research has very little feedback until I found discuss within @mobo ,jprint , JournoProf and DrJJW in this thread .

We hope MN(especially Mac version) could works more professional in Research Fields and Personal Wiki usage in the future. So we’re eager to learn yours using scenes.

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Done. Please see what I posted.

@mobo @bart MN creates a unique ID for every note card. When you’re using ‘Copy note URL’, the address contains a unique UUID.

I‘ve restudied the Zettelkasten method and find that it just needs a little modification and MN could work on this method.

The team will discuss it.

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@Lanco_Support-Team – Just in case you missed what I wrote in my last post under How best to archive MarginNote-annotated files?, this is what I said – since it relates to your last point, and what many users seem to need…

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@Lanco_Support-Team, I’m pleased to hear you’re interested in the Zettlekasten method. I wonder if your team would be willing to share your ideas for implementing this in MN here on the forum — before coding — so we could have a discussion about it?

Personally, I have my own ad-hoc workflow but I am very curious about the Zettlekasten method (ZKM). I suggest this because I feel there are others here on the forum who have a lot more experience with this method, and they could provide some valuable feedback before any time is spent coding.

Having a forum discussion here about doing ZKM in MN would be a way for all of us to learn more about the method, and could be helpful for your team in how to best extend MN to support it.

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Yes, sure. We are very pleased to share the ideas in the forum before coding.Now I’m working on letting everyone in the team to understand this method by making some demo videos. Whenever you have any attachment to this, you cloud post it.

Lanco

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@Lanco_Support-Team @Kevin_Support-Team Please fix the basic features first, when exporting to Word, emphasised words are not transferred.
And exporting to Evernote doesn’t work properly.
And a more comprehensive Word count & search would be nice too.

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Hi @Lanco_Support-Team. Sounds great. Maybe we should create a new thread to discuss the Zettlekasten method and MarginNote.

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Just touching base about this, and wondering if there’s any news about future hashtag developments.

Thanks!

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Hello, jprint and other devoted users,
I’m very grateful for your contribution to the development of MarginNote 3. As this post was created a long time ago, some features of hashtags have been implemented in MN3. And I know clearly that most of you want hashtags more flexible, which I have repeated in the latest post: How export notes with select hashtags?
So I’d like to know what other improvements do you want, it will greatly enhance my understanding of your needs.
Really look forward to your reply.
Regards,
Bryan

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Hi @Kevin_Support-Team

Ok, here’s a list of desired features and fixes, in order of importance…

  1. Get syncing to work! We want to be sure that our documents, notes, bookmarks AND folders & categories (!!!) are syncing properly so that our work is being saved, and carrying over from our platforms (iOS & MacOS) and app (for Mac, iPhone, iPad, etc.). As part of that, I’d recommend creating some kind of progress bar / recorded info that shows the last time a file was edited/saved, and with info about the number of notes/annotations, so that we can use this as a reference to determine where the most current annotations of a given file reside, and to ensure that it has been successfully synced. Fixing the sync problems is easily the most urgent problem we face;

  2. Fix and clarify MN folders & categories. Right now it’s glitchy and frankly confusing. No one is clear on how MN’s folder systems is supposed to work, and so there’s a chaotic and problematic file organizational structure in MN (or lack thereof). As a result, many of us have learned to only open files in MN the moment we’re ready to annotate them – otherwise they’ll get lost in a disordered list of files that we’re unable to group and As part of this, we’d like to simple folder / organizational taxonomy in which we’re able to group files by subject AND prioritize them.

  3. Fix all of MN exports – many of us have detailed the various problems with each export format – especially for PDFs (!!!), but also for DEVONthink / RTFs, OmniOutliner, etc.

  4. Get PDF export size down to a manageable size. It’s just way too large to properly use and save as an archived file – or send and share to use as a work product for coworkers & colleagues.

  5. Overall Hashtag set up, referring to the taxonomy - organization approach that I outlined. I think I’ve detailed it enough over here! BTW, I’ve been using TaskPaper as a quick and easy way to create my hashtag taxonomy. Maybe there’s a way for MN to interface with TaskPaper…or you could just refer to it as a simple guide, at the very least…

  6. Create an UID in MarginNote-annotated files – AND, by extension, the notes they create. This will vastly improve the inter-app workflow with such apps as Tinderbox and DEVONthink Pro. For instances such UID’s would help users locate MN-annotated documents and notes in other app’s, and determine where they’d need to be corrected. That would enable users to use the UID to locate the original MN-annotated documents and notes and make corrections, accordingly. Makes sense?

  7. Enable MarginNote’s links to work for internal text for document files (i.e., URL schemes that connect to internal MN-created notes). In other words, enable users to use the MN3-created URL links in other apps (e.g., DEVONthink) – beyond expensive 3rd party apps! (e.g., Mac’s native PDF app, Preview) – so that when we click on MN3-created URL links they’re not opening MarginNote again and, by extension, opening that file online via the iCloud.

  8. Enable MarginNote’s links to be more universally accessible to MN and non-MN users, so that MN users and our colleagues can open them outside of MN, in other apps – apart from expensive 3rd party apps (like PDF Expert) – offline / disconnected from the iCloud;

  9. Refer to my “Search / Find requests (suggestions)” – namely, when using MN’s Search / Find function, the color of the found text is the same as the yellow highlight, so it’s very hard to spot in the document. I’d suggest that MN change the color of the found text, and maybe highlight it with an animated flash (which other apps do nicely). Also, it would be great if there could be a “Find next…” feature, so that one can toggle from one found search word to the next, etc.

  10. Create some kind of Find / Replace function. Also, provide an option to change Smart/Straight quotes. These things are just to help us clean up the text – esp. when the OCR is poor (in MN or another app).

  11. Enable user to just export notes with select hashtags. This would be hugely helpful.

  12. Fix the naming glitch when importing docs into MN so that it doesn’t tack on a number into parentheses.

  13. Redo your user manual! I appreciate some of the online tutorials, but there’s no substitute for a proper written manual.

  14. Create OPML, CSV or Tab-delim exports. For me, it’s a lesser priority now that I’ve changed my work process, but I’ve heard other developers want these export options.

I’m sure there other other suggested repairs and features, but I think this is a good list to start with.

Looking forward to my commission! :wink:

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Wow, thanks for your detailed list. That’s awesome!

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Quite welcome! I assume my check is in the mail… :wink:

Seriously, do you have a sense of when you guys might be able to make some of these changes? Numbers 1 - 7 are really critical. In fact, I’ve had to suspend my work in MarginNote until you guys can fix some of the problems (esp. syncing) and add features (esp. the archiving issues with MN3…the PDF size is just unmanageable).

Thanks again, and let me know if you’d like me to clarify anything.

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